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Dubious formulations and possibly imprecise map?

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1) The page says "A flood of international reporters hiked several kilometers from Puente Negro to Termas del Flaco." This sounds wrong. It is more than 50 km from Termas del Flaco to Puente Negro, I doubt the reporters hiked it and if they did, it was not several kilometres. The article says that the arriero who found them took a truck from Termas del Flaco to Puente Negro, which indicates that there was already a road there at the time of the crash. So I assume the reporters would take a car. Maybe what they did was that they hiked up to Los Maitenes? Termas del Flaco would have been extremenly small at that time, even now it is only maybe 50 houses and I am not sure it would have made sense for them to go there instead of to San Fernando.

2) This statement:

"However, according to Juan Ulloa, an Argentinian guide who hiked Canessa and Parrado's route multiple times, they ultimately made the right choice despite the longer distance. Ulloa speculates that both men would have died had they pivoted east, due to the increased number of obstacles, which included abysses." It is a bit weird. First, to say he "hiked" their route is weird. The route they did is a very steep climb - they had to make steps into a 100m almost vertical wall. Not sure "hike" is the right word. The guide indeed claims to have done both routes, also here: [1]. I wonder if they get special permision to cross the border there, but I guess we must believe him. However, when the text says there are "abysses", I think that is wrong translation from Spanish on the BBC site that is linked from the wiki page. In the other page which I found, it more sounds like there would have been snow bridges over side canyons in the valley. The way Andes work around that area is that you have a main valley that is not that steep, but to its side, sidestreams cut very steep and sometimes almost vertical side cuts that are very difficult to traverse. I guess that is what the guy means. I doubt "abyss" is the right work for that.

3) "They reached the narrow valley that Parrado had seen from the top of the mountain, where they found the source of Río San José." The source of Rio San José is now about 2-3 km upstream from the valley from which they came in. It originates in a glacier and it is possile it receded that much over this time. So it might and might not be correct. However, if they did get to the source, it seems to me they might have then go down on the north side of Rio San José. The whole subplot with meeting the arrieros on the other side of the river then makes more sense (and the valey would have been easier to go down that way then, before the road up was built). In that case, their path here: [File:Volcan-tinguiririca.svg] is wrongly on the southern side of the river.

Drewdrewdrewdrew (talk) 16:26, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Descent data

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To my knowledge descent data ("After crossing the ridge, they descended 1,425 metres (4,676 ft) over ten days..) is incorrect. Mount Seler is about 4600 meters high, as stated, while Los Maitenes is about 1500 metres (1425?) above the sea if i remember correctly, so they descended about 3000 metres. Maybe the correct statement is "they descended TO 1425 metres over ten days..well 5/6 days actually) 185.38.254.21 (talk) 07:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the distance is suspicious. From the crash site to Los Maitenes, which is here: 34.7949489S, 70.4729497W, via the San José valley and Paso Las Lagrimas/Mount Seler is slightly over 20 km. I understand they did not go in a straight line but 53.9 km is too precise and to large. Drewdrewdrewdrew (talk) 16:21, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]