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I noticed that the article uses her first name "Melania" almost throughout the entire article like "Zampolli urged Melania to travel to the United States ...". Not sure what is the convention but perhaps it would be good to call her "Knavs" or "Knauss" until 2005 when she married Donald Trump. The article semi-reflects the name changes as it calls her "Melanija" in the Early Life section. I see how it's a bit of prosaic liberty in the sections dealing with the relationship with Donald Trump, where he is also referred to as "Donald" to avoid confusion but in many other areas, I think it would be better to call her "Trump", just as Jill Biden, e.g. "Biden lent her support to USAID's FWD campaign, ..." or from Michelle Obamas article "Obama met with Queen Elizabeth II in ...". Not to harp too much on this, but influential women are more often called by their first name.Hiko (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After having written a couple dozen first lady articles, I've found that this is the least confusing way to do it. If someone's far-more-famous spouse is frequently mentioned in the article, then it only throws the reader off to use the name that's more commonly associated with the spouse. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A new portrait of Melania was released for her husband's second term in office. Should her portrait be updated like Trump and Vance or should her current portrait from 2017 remain the same? [1]Thelittlepoliticalboy (talk) 20:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the "definitely be updated" part. All else being equal, a black-n-white image is inferior to a color image. So that is a step backwards. But I also worry this image violates NPOV. Official portraits are propagandist by their nature. This is self-evident as they are carefully crafted and well-taken photos whose purpose is to portray their subject in as positively as possible. In other word deliberately non-neutral. Nonetheless, we tend to include them because their value is worth the inherent bit of non-neutrality. A picture is usually better than no picture after all. In this particular case, however, we have no shortage of pictures of the subject. What's striking about this portrait is that the photographer took a very unusual style portrait that involves many artistic choices. (Here's an article that discusses that.) It is a fact the portrait was designed to convey subconscious messages as per the article I just gave. We really have to ask ourselves if we want to naively parrot that message by using this images without a deeper consideration of the consequences. In my view the use of black-n-white as an artistic device is a disqualifying choice for this article as we have quality images of her in colour. (I've written an essay about neutrality for images at NPOV is a problem for images. I've never been happy with my essay's writing and it's stayed in draft form but you can read it anyway if you like.) Jason Quinn (talk) 16:54, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jason Quinn, I wholly agree, and think that the same conversation should be had for the images at Donald Trump and JD Vance. These are not run-of-the-mill portraits and I believe, are deliberately composed to convey a specific message. I don't think we should be obligated to use them just because they are "official" - there are several other high-quality portraits of sufficient licensing that are good enough to primarily identify the subject. Connormah (talk) 20:00, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think reverting to the 2017 portrait might be the best move honestly. Honestly, it being black and white already makes me disfavor it, and the weird posing they're going for cements it. Does anybody want to make the case for keeping it as the most recent 2025 one? Chemistmenace (talk) 07:36, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also wholly agree — the community certainly needs to have a discussion about the neutrality of these types of photographs. Official portraits should not simply be the default. Loytra (talk) 10:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the updated one. It's current, and its license allows WP to use it. Looks like they used a Claymation filter or something, but we're not art critics, and the only message it imparts to me is "weird" as opposed to the usual "I look marvelous". Space4TCatHerder🖖19:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Saying "its license allows WP to use it" is not a valid supporting premise as we only use photos when we are allowed to use them (whether by license or fair use). Jason Quinn (talk) 19:19, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the "Public Image" section, third paragraph, we find the sentence, "The only other first lady to be born outside of the United States had an American father." I wondered who that was, so I followed the footnote link, which went to a foreign language PDF. Could the sentence be modified to read, "The only other first lady to be born outside of the United States, Louisa Adams, had an American father."? 47.45.136.105 (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Done. Loytra (talk) 10:03, 4 February 2025 (UTC)