Talk:Shivaji

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2024

In the article there should have title which is 'Chhatrapati' with the name of Shivaji Maharaj. Also you should have written Maharaj after Shivaji as it shows respect towards the man who is people's true king not the King of any piece of land. So my humble request towards you to make this correction in your article as this not about any other king or emperor but about the man who faught for the justice for the people. Thank you. 2409:4081:1206:E43A:1E1:671:7337:ACDD (talk) 07:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: see FAQ Cannolis (talk) 08:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I request you to please do it. 2405:201:21:C128:951B:CAE9:C4F8:EE7F (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

I support you Parth king739 (talk) 07:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2024

In the "commemorations" section, in "The headquarters in Mumbai of the Western Railway zone, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, was renamed Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus in 1996.", the headquarters is of Central Railways, not Western Railways.

Also, it has been furthur renamed to "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus" in 2017. 117.98.114.75 (talk) 13:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. Rainsage (talk) 06:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

References

Change the name

Change the name to "chhatrapati shavaji maharaj" it shows respect towards the king. 2409:4080:396:2B63:0:0:C43:B8A1 (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. Please see WP:TITLESINTITLES. Rasnaboy (talk) 20:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Correct I on behalf of being a Maharashtrian Support this. Parth king739 (talk) 07:31, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Kindly change the name to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj. 2409:4081:DBC:9F73:0:0:A608:380A (talk) 06:02, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

According to WP:HONOURIFICS, we can't add prefixes or suffixes additionally to the persons actual name, due to respect or his positions. For example, in case of Akbar, we don't use Akbar the Great, even though he is popularized by that name. Hope you understand. Imperial^[AFCND] 09:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

@ImperialAficionado Why is Alexander the Great then? PPicazHist (talk) 18:49, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

You can itself see how many Marathi people have requested to change to title name. Its a sensitive topic, not a POV. Moreover, Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English-language reliable sources without it, it should be included.

Usually Its is commonly attached to his name. [1] [2] PPicazHist (talk) 18:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

You quote the applicable guideline ("English-language reliable sources") and as evidence of meeting that guideline you offer a college website (notably named "Shivaji College", and not "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj college") and an educational website that is plagiarizing Wikipedia? Are you being serious? The instances of using an honorific as a part of a common name are few and far between. To use such a title we would need evidence that the best sources attach the honorific: for instance, we have Mahatma Gandhi and Swami Vivekananda, but Jawaharlal Nehru (not "Pandit Nehru") and Ramdev (not "Baba Ramdev"). Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:19, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Government institutions, statues, airports, universities, and awards in India predominantly use "Chhatrapati Shivaji" or "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj" (e.g., Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus, Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj International Airport, Shiv Chhatrapati Award, Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj University, Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Uddanpul). @Vanamonde93 Its a sensitive topic, nobody wants here to share a POV but just facts. Moreover, Official speeches and documents use "Chhatrapati Shivaji" more frequently than just "Shivaji.", I can prove it but you can research it on your own. I know the wiki rules, but we should solve things rather than imposing rules whenever their is a clash of Ideas, that's the beauty of wikipedia that makes it thrive as one of the best encyclopedias. PPicazHist (talk) 16:14, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

We can consider doing it "Chattrapati Shivaji" instead of just "Shivaji". PPicazHist (talk) 16:15, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2025

"change Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj " everywhere in the article Parth king739 (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Ultraodan (talk) 12:22, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Change article name to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj.

Only Shivaji is is form of disrespect to the King or "Raje" it is important to change the name to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj everywhere in the articles atleast to Shivaji Maharaj Parth king739 (talk) 07:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Shivaji didn't wrote the letter of remonstrance of Jizya

There is a letter written in the Governance -> Religious Policy section of this article. The letter of remonstrance of Jizya. But many scholars have came to the conclusion that it was not written by Shivaji. I don't want to go into the details about how it is proved it was not written by Shivaji. I will give some names of eminent historians who have said it was not written by Shivaji. Please see the following:

• Zahiruddin Faruqi, Aurangzeb and his Times, page 160

Link : https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.529984/page/n185/mode/2up?view=theater

• Elphinstone, The History of India, Vol. II, Book XI, page 494.

Link : https://archive.org/details/the-history-of-india-02/page/494/mode/1up?view=theater

• Irfan Habib

Link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTZI2365308, see from timestamp 34:00

• Gajanan Mehendale, Shivaji His Life and Times, appendix 9.

So I request to give me permission to remove the letter from the section. Mahusha (talk) 07:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Interesting, perhaps we can create an article on this letter and include in it the differing opinions about historicity, authorship etc. if modern sources can be found attesting to the above. But for now you can remove it. - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:27, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Ok removing it now. Mahusha (talk) 08:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

I think Sarkar should be sufficient as source for this. This debate has born out of the desire of some writers with specific ideology who want to portrait Shivaji as symbol and propagator of Hindutva, which is not true. Though he was devote Hindu and staunch follower of Hinduism, his policies were secular. He did not force his religion on others nor he discriminated against people of other religions. His secular policies are well documented and has been endorsed by prominent historians like Gordon. You need better, reputed and scholarly sources for this. These sources you quoted are not relible at all. Akshaypatill (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2025

I request you to change the spelling of surname of shivaji bhosle this is correct and Bhonsle is wrong 2409:4042:2780:859F:5C51:F09F:8FE2:21B1 (talk) 15:32, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Not done... it appears the current spelling is very well supported with both Wikipedia articles and cited sources. Do you have a reliable source to cite for your change? - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:14, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2025

Please replace "Shivaji" to "Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj" from Title and places where the name is mentioned as Shivaji instead of Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj. 111.125.210.148 (talk) 08:05, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done read the notice at the top of this page "As per WP:Honorifics and WP:Commonname, in Wikipedia, we refer to people by their commonly used name in the cited academic sources. We do not include titles or Honorifics unless they are commonly used in the cited sources (Shivaji does not fall in this category). Please note Charles III, where he is referred to as "Charles" throughout, not "King Charles" nor "His Royal Highness" or whatnot. We clearly note Shivaji's titles in the article, we just don't repeat them each time his name is written". - Ratnahastin (talk) 08:13, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 9 February 2025

Shivaji → Chattrapati Shivaji –

• Official and Common Usage: The Government of Maharashtra and official institutions consistently use "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj," reflecting widespread recognition.
• "Chhatrapati" is a royal title that distinguishes him from other historical figures named Shivaji, ensuring proper acknowledgment of his legacy.
• It is Consistent with Other Renamed Entities. Airports, universities, railway stations, and museums have been renamed to include "Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj," making Wikipedia's current title inconsistent with established practices. PPicazHist (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• We can also see the previous discussion that's continued here.

PPicazHist (talk) 16:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Vastu Sangrahalaya - [3], [4][5][6][7][8] and the list is endless. PPicazHist (talk) 16:33, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose and speedy close – If you had bothered reading the notice at the top of this talk page, you would not have made such an outrageous proposal. 1) "Chatrapati Shivaji" was never the WP:OFFICIALNAME of this king, nor is it recognized as such by anyone. 2) We only use royal titles in the title if most reliable sources refer to the subject by it, this is not the case here. 3) It is utterly irrelevant what buildings or institutions are named after this alternative name you are suggesting and this only proves that this is not a common name.

- Ratnahastin (talk) 17:06, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

"Shivaji" is the common name, nothing else even comes close [9]. - Ratnahastin (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)